tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post4950186755972444638..comments2021-02-07T10:56:21.628-05:00Comments on Deconstructing Neverland: Repent of...what?Misplaced Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07678088467204383307noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-22996292072375523042012-05-21T13:14:29.340-04:002012-05-21T13:14:29.340-04:00Great Post - The last church my family and I atten...Great Post - The last church my family and I attended (about 2 years ago) had some serious problems, which I lovingly pointed out to the pastor before leaving. He got defensive and then pulled out the big gun by saying this: "People in the church are bored with my preaching and the dry, stale song services because they are just spiritually dead(comparison to the dead sea). He said that if people in the church would just get more involved in ministry, they would find life flowing again. What?!?! Nice thought, but that was impossible to do in that church - the system itself prevented people from ministering to one another since the pastor was the only one qualified to do that. It was nice hear to clain that he had life flowing through himself, but I clearly remember that every sunday - you could see the heads start to nod and approximately 2/3 of the people would be asleep 20 minutes into into his 1.5 hr long sermon. And he had the nerve to blame that on the people in the pews rather than taking a long, hard look at what he was doing that might be causing the problem!<br /><br />Nice post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076227876151642208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-48076598113505409562012-04-15T15:18:32.635-04:002012-04-15T15:18:32.635-04:00I was just at his site too. Thanks for pointing th...I was just at his site too. Thanks for pointing that out, Bobby. It's too bad he closed the comments; I would have liked to add my two cents worth. What that really says to me is that he doesn't want anyone questioning his "pseudo-authority" on the subject. I have a serious problem with that. If he doesn't want a comment, then don't put it out there in the first place. Otherwise he paints himself as little more than a dictator. Just saying. Peace.Will Rochowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04308106368138818481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-9124900558392416902012-04-09T11:57:08.386-04:002012-04-09T11:57:08.386-04:00many will point the accusatory finger before they ...many will point the accusatory finger before they will join you in asking the tough questions if it has the potential to disturb their comfort level.Misplaced Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07678088467204383307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-12842740396121550802012-04-09T11:53:49.670-04:002012-04-09T11:53:49.670-04:00and then he closed the comments to the post.and then he closed the comments to the post.Misplaced Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07678088467204383307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-82090990029642146892012-04-06T17:58:04.454-04:002012-04-06T17:58:04.454-04:00Bobby
This is all too common, and sadly it often ...Bobby<br /><br />This is all too common, and sadly it often includes topics much more personal than simply preferences in church service style. It is a lazy man's approach to dealing with an issue. If you don't have a good answer, or any desire to change or at least consider the perspective of the person who has brought the issue before you, then simply label their actions/questions/comments as rooted in sin. This works for dealing with people questioning your preaching and church liturgy as well as counseling people through marital problems, depression, struggles with their children and so on. It is the go-to answer of those leaders (and defenders of leaders) not willing to seriously deal with others and their issues.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing this! I have heard much of this same reasoning in response to my writing as of late.<br /><br />DanDanhttp://someekklesia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-45486855778373719732012-04-06T13:50:25.784-04:002012-04-06T13:50:25.784-04:00Update - I'll give Joe Thorn credit. He took ...Update - I'll give Joe Thorn credit. He took the time to respond to my comment.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-57834480534030903332012-04-06T13:00:46.775-04:002012-04-06T13:00:46.775-04:00I couldn't resist the urge to comment on Joe T...I couldn't resist the urge to comment on Joe Thorn's blog post. I simply wrote, "This sounds like yet another defense of the institution by the clergy to make the laity feel guilty of questioning the status quo. Very sad." I doubt it will do any good, but he needs to know that not all Christians applaud that sort of unbiblical nonsense.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-19578253540436477272012-04-06T12:54:00.718-04:002012-04-06T12:54:00.718-04:00Bobby,
How sad this is. Thanks for pointing it o...Bobby,<br /><br />How sad this is. Thanks for pointing it out. It's just another example of the unquestioned defense of the institution by salaried clergy. Thank the Lord that the church and the institution are two completely different things.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-4175360584206195762012-04-05T11:07:43.525-04:002012-04-05T11:07:43.525-04:00Bobby,
This post is right up my alley. Exposing ...Bobby,<br /><br />This post is right up my alley. Exposing the BS within the system.<br /><br />Thanks for a well needed post.<br /><br />SwannyBrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16101269374008756754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-25191342129538216642012-04-05T10:56:25.097-04:002012-04-05T10:56:25.097-04:00Your point is an important one that needs to be ma...Your point is an important one that needs to be made. Good call, Bobby.Shanehttp://tshanem.posterous.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4514316733918143759.post-65048925545622852142012-04-04T23:35:29.947-04:002012-04-04T23:35:29.947-04:00Statements like Thorn's are designed to preven...Statements like Thorn's are designed to prevent people from asking questions. If you don't love sitting through sermons it is because you hate the church, etc. It is shameful that some people will try to manipulate and guilt other people into supporting the institutions.Arthur Sidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.com